Do JW's believe that TWO nations were created?

by BoogerMan in

one at pentecost 33 c.e.

or were they "overlapping nations?".

w02 8/1 p. 12 par.

Sea Breeze

Yes, they try to teach this. They have to reach back and grab some OT lingo and put a symbolic spin on it and presto! They think there is another way to get saved other than through the blood covenant. Only trouble is NT theology talks about "one new man" not two:

Eph. 2: 12 - you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,

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Found Anthony Morris out in the wild!!!

by BereanThinker7 in

that was click bait.

did it work?

https://youtu.be/_spl7to0m3y?si=gujblhtzkpy0fvzz .

Sea Breeze

This A. Morris sighting was reported by a trinitarian and shows him forraging in the wilderness. Looks like he grew a beard and has become quite elusive. Field service?

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Pa. Has Charged 14 Jehovah's Witnesses With CSA Just Since Last Fall ! More Expected.

by Sea Breeze in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhwk6pxprkg&ab_channel=thethornbushwasblazing%26yetdidn%27tburnup.

Sea Breeze

Would’ve been 15 if that one guy hadn’t put a bullet in his head before the cops could arrest him.

Missed that part Vidiot, thanks. I'm sure he probably thought that he would wake up in paradise, you know for the do-over the Watchtower promised him.

I suspect that he found out rather quickly afterwards that he simply jumped from the frying pan into the fire.

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Sea Breeze

@moomanchu

aqwsed12345
Your knowledgeable, comprehensive and noninsulting answers are admirable. Very patient, way more than me.

Me too. Whenever, I see Ad hominims getting thrown around, I know that side has run out of places to hide. And it is nearly always the same side that engages in it.

Thank you aqwsed12345 for your research on this thread.

Colossians 1:16

For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities

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How Do JWs Understand Salvation & What Is Needed to Obtain It?

by LauraLynn in

from my experience within the jw organization, i understood that salvation meant a person accepted the teachings of the wbts without question as the "faithful and discrete slave," thereby placing their trust in them, not jesus christ.

salvation consisted of being found "righteous" by jehovah and resurrected to everlasting life in an earthly paradise.

to obtain this salvation, one needed to obey the organization's teachings, remain a faithful jw, and lead a moral life.

Sea Breeze

Not long ago,,,, maybe 8 - 10 years ago there were talks about whatever you were doing at that time you were locked-in and you were doomed.
Now,, we have this last minute repentance thing??

It is becoming increasingly obvious that we were once led by the equilivent of the three stooges.

The History Of The Largest Three Stooges Museum

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Pa. Has Charged 14 Jehovah's Witnesses With CSA Just Since Last Fall ! More Expected.

by Sea Breeze in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhwk6pxprkg&ab_channel=thethornbushwasblazing%26yetdidn%27tburnup.

Sea Breeze

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhWk6pXPRKg&ab_channel=thethornbushwasblazing%26yetdidn%27tburnup

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Bible Lessons You Won't Learn From The GB

by Journeyman in

for those on this forum who still consider themselves christian or students of the bible, are there any bible principles you came across during your own study or research that were never brought out by the gb of the jws but that you found significant or profound?.

i don't mean doctrinal issues like the trinity, heaven & hell, etc, as these are issues christendom has been arguing over for centuries.

i mean simple, scriptural principles that the gb could've highlighted at any time, but for various reasons - some obvious, some less so - have chosen not to.. one that stood out to me is in 1 samuel chapters 2, 3 and 4.. young samuel has been dedicated to the temple and is being raised to serve god there.

Sea Breeze

Pretty much anything to do with new testament grace or mercy was new to me.

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The abuse of JW org

by wozza in

awhile ago i said on here i would like to show how wrong the jehovahs witness organisation is , in that they will not accept the testimony of a victim of sexual crime where the victim has no other witnesses to the crime.

i faced this with helping my ex wife for about 15 years in exposing her father , an elder, to the jw org.

his raping of her over years and they believed him.. so therefore the perpetrator knowing of the organisations stance can easily deny and therefore be free to pretend to serve as an innocent jw still mixing with the congregation ,and also i have witnessed an accused perpetrator of child molestation witnessing at my next door neighbors house in field service with a child of another family even though the elders knew of the accusations against him.

Sea Breeze

StephaneLaliberte - you seem to have taken liberty to impute to me that I " If you respect the Mosaic law so much, then you would agree with the idea of marrying a rape victim to her rapist, as stated in Deuteronomy 22:28-29

For the record, this verse is not talking about a rape.

KJV - If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

When you look at other verses that deal with this situation, it becomes even clearer:

Exodus 22:16-17 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.

So, the man had to man up and pay up, regardless. If the father didn't think it was a good match, there was no marriage.

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The Dangers of Independent Thinking

by daystar in

"the dangers of independent thinking".

reading mary's thread regarding the july 15th wt, i began to really consider what the wbts' problem is with "independent thinking".. what exactly is "independent thinking" and what about its opposite, "dependent thinking"?

i think the following excerpt from an article here does a good job of defining them.

Sea Breeze

It's funny how the WT demonizes learning how to think, while educators spend a lot of time trying to get people to do just the opposite, learn the skill.

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News of fires out of control in California

by ballistic in

jw
friends

hope everyone near to the region affected in california is ok. it's shocking to hear of the destruction.

these affected areas are some of the places i visited when i came on a tour of the us.

malibu, santa barbera, la, santa monica, hollywood and so on..

Sea Breeze

WT never lets diasters and human suffering go to waste. The answer? Join their church of course!

Front Page of JW webiste:

Sea Breeze

Posts by Sea Breeze

Exodus 22:16-17 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.